tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post7493772820931162735..comments2023-09-18T06:24:13.221-03:00Comments on Lamarque's blog: New QML Shutdown Dialog in 4.9.0Lamarquehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-25307298640443499342012-07-22T13:37:08.271-03:002012-07-22T13:37:08.271-03:00@Mirosław Zalewski, the default QML theme uses the...@Mirosław Zalewski, the default QML theme uses the legacy Plasma shutdown themes, so everything should still work except for some themes that are broken (do not follow Plasma's specification). Broken themes usually lack the dialog's border.<br /><br />Writing Copyright files is not like HIG. Usually who writes HIG are not the one that uses it, the developer are. Asking a developer to write a copyright file is boring but the developer can do it because the copyright file does not cause troubles to compile/run the software. The HIG on the other hand can cause conflicts between the one who writes it and the developers who should follow them because it affects how the software is implemented.<br /><br />Does Debian has HIG for the desktop environments they ship?Lamarquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-91251341773773727052012-07-20T08:41:58.363-03:002012-07-20T08:41:58.363-03:00Hi @Lamarque
check this out :
http://forum.kde.o...Hi @Lamarque <br />check this out : <br />http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=106981Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-21682814660797810322012-07-20T08:39:59.863-03:002012-07-20T08:39:59.863-03:00Hi Lamarque ..
you might find this interesting to...Hi Lamarque ..<br /><br />you might find this interesting topic.<br />check it out :<br />http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=106981Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-59171151978350512022012-07-19T16:33:14.650-03:002012-07-19T16:33:14.650-03:00Lamarque: you say that this theme uses some .qml, ...Lamarque: you say that this theme uses some .qml, .js and .desktop files. Does it mean that new dialog basically obsoletes all plasma themes out there (dialogs/shutdowndialog file)?<br /><br />Also, I disagree that you can't make people follow guidelines. Look at Debian - they have strict license policy, package policy, package workflow etc. Writing debian/copyright file is boring as hell (you must note each license that ever occurs in source code and associate each file with license). But all their package maintainers write that file and follow these guidelines, most (all?) of them volunteers.<br />I believe that rationale behind following HIG is so strong, that most people can be convinced to follow them. After all, they are not about making anyone's work harder - they are about providing better user experience.Mirosław Zalewskihttp://minio.xt.plnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-67525203505334541162012-02-26T14:58:45.809-03:002012-02-26T14:58:45.809-03:00@BajK, ahh that fadein effect. That's not bug,...@BajK, ahh that fadein effect. That's not bug, when I have more time I can think of implementing it.Lamarquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-28014716814960483672012-02-26T14:52:30.010-03:002012-02-26T14:52:30.010-03:00You hover the button, in 4.8 the "hover effec...You hover the button, in 4.8 the "hover effect" fades in. In the QML variant in 4.9 the button just switches to the hovered state with no nice transition.BajKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-778178174101947442012-02-26T14:35:49.375-03:002012-02-26T14:35:49.375-03:00@kuha, thanks. The idea is to port most things to ...@kuha, thanks. The idea is to port most things to QML when that means an advantage. The device notifier in 4.8.0 is already QML, the lock screen in 4.9.0 is going to be QML based too and several other things are going to be porte.<br /><br />@Anonymous, I am pretty sure most users do not care about those triangles since they do not see them if they use compositing and most users use compositing.<br /><br />@BajK, what do you mean by fadein effect?Lamarquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-30948558550864138682012-02-25T13:12:12.924-02:002012-02-25T13:12:12.924-02:00The last time I checked the buttons had no fade-in...The last time I checked the buttons had no fade-in-effect on hovering them. But maybe this is a general Declarative Plasma Components issue.BajKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-73888768069130130112012-02-24T18:37:03.681-02:002012-02-24T18:37:03.681-02:00@Lamarque thanks for info, those black triangles a...@Lamarque thanks for info, those black triangles are just example of those little things that are making kde feels more like a student work less like a awesome amazing blow your mind community (which most of the cases is ;)<br /><br />about those little things - it's exactly my point, you as a developer should care about code and bugs, for gui you should have detailed cheet sheet and mockups from design team and not think about it just make gui as they want and care abut your favorite thing - code ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-46210547774617574802012-02-24T16:49:08.998-02:002012-02-24T16:49:08.998-02:00@Anonymous:
The default theme is optimized for co...@Anonymous:<br /><br />The default theme is optimized for compositing.<br /><br />But no-one forces you to use it!<br /><br />You have two choices, both very simple to do:<br /><br /> a) enable compositing<br /><br />or<br /><br /> b) select another theme (in System Settings) which is better optimized for non-compositing<br /><br />Where's the problem?smlsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-90628750769761165102012-02-24T15:00:45.323-02:002012-02-24T15:00:45.323-02:00It's nice to see more and more of KDE Plasma D...It's nice to see more and more of KDE Plasma Desktop being ported to QML. It would be cool if someday everything in KDE could be "themed" in just QML and SVGs.<br /><br />Thanks for your work!kuhanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-77685418472617627872012-02-24T14:33:03.024-02:002012-02-24T14:33:03.024-02:00@Anonymous, I think "nobody cares" about...@Anonymous, I think "nobody cares" about this bug because it is way simpler just enable compositing. Why don't you do that? I guess an extremelly small percentage of KDE users currently do not use compositing. Also, when compositing is disabled in my notebook ksmserver paints the whole background in black. I guess it does that to workaround this problem. By the way, I am not a kwin developer, I do not know how to solve this problem without using compositing.<br /><br />The HIG do exist (http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG, http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability) but as I said, most developers do not know about them or do not extrictly follow them. By the date on the first page (March of last year) you can also see that it is not oftenly updated. Maybe because writing HIG is boring and few people does that without a very good reason. The last update on the other page is even older.<br /><br />I am one of those that do boring stuff from time to time. But I not a GUI guy, yet I try to fix GUI problems too, but some of them are impossible to fix and sometimes even workaround.<br /><br />I prefer to fix bugs and make things correctly work. Most of the problems I have fixed in Plamsa NM are not related to the GUI. I cannot stop fixing those kind of bug just to invest on the GUI. I do not say for me to do both.<br /><br />If you want HIG to be followed you should make the effort to make them available to the developers. Step up and try to find who write HIG in KDE and try to help him/her. kde-usability@kde.org is a good start. Complaining here will lead to nothing. I am already aware of them, I just do not have time to do my real life work, improve Plasma NM GUI, fix bugs and solve several other problems in Plasma NM that no KDE user probably know about but that needs fixing.Lamarquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-84665835333485211592012-02-24T14:19:01.823-02:002012-02-24T14:19:01.823-02:00@Anonymous The only thing you get is a dead projec...@Anonymous The only thing you get is a dead project.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-2733031866034667222012-02-24T13:55:38.427-02:002012-02-24T13:55:38.427-02:00About black triangles: everything would be ok if t...About black triangles: everything would be ok if there was 4 of them, but one corners is displayed properly so what the hell? Nobody cares because it's small "not cool" stuff to repair. <br /><br />About HIG: this is really really good idea for KDE and was mentioned by many people before. I understand that you as a developer who doesn't get paid for it like to do only "cool" stuff and "new" features, but we as users are upset about "boring" stuff like bugs or fricking GUI inconsistency. You're right KDE is not driven by company but people should new that without good captain ship is doomed. <br /><br />Let's thing for a second about this: there is developer who want to do application, he like kde so he join kde world, he make application but as a developer knows nothing about usability so we have buttons in shaped of pink rhino because he thinks that's cool and there is no GUI guidance to follow... that's how it works now<br /><br />How it should be: it should be like in companies, people are focusing on delivering product (as open source is awesome software that will change the world), coders are coding, designers do the design - BUT ALL ARE FOLLOWING ONE MAIN DIRECTION. Coders don't code GUI as they think it'll be good but as design team decided - so all application will follow the same pattern and style. What comes from that? Happy users! You developer who use kde, john doe the designer who use kde, me who use kde. Everybody happy, the end. <br /><br />How is it now? you are making code for network management, you need to think about how gui needs to work and implement it as you think will be good instead of focusing on code itself. AND THAT THING IS GOING ON FOR EVERY APPLICATION FOR EVERY DEVELOPER. What's good from that? Not much, layout is far from pixel perfect, applications have same options in different places, system settings is one big dumpster where finding something is like memo-game and so on...<br /><br />about gnome: yeah is different but it clearly follow one vision and it's polished! what about kde? yeah it's awesome from wider view but not so much under the closer look - just because those little "boring" to fix stuff<br /><br />disclaimer - don't want to sound disrespectful, we all love kdeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-37943579967006339242012-02-24T12:38:33.600-02:002012-02-24T12:38:33.600-02:00Gnome has Redhat behind them since the begining. W...Gnome has Redhat behind them since the begining. Why do you think most standards used in Gnome are in fact developed by Redhat's employees. Nowadays Gnome is almost a Redhat's product.Lamarquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-63281648809853111742012-02-24T12:27:40.172-02:002012-02-24T12:27:40.172-02:00@ Lamarque
It 's true, you're right, I apo...@ Lamarque<br />It 's true, you're right, I apologize if they are off topic, but I just say that even small teams as well as Elementary OS but free as Gnome team, in this I managed to have a better organization, I say only because I love kde, and this is a shame!<br />I think that the time for KDE5 is on your side, and perhaps this is the time to talk about this, or never.<br />Maybe you should organize a team in kde that addresses this, I've seen people here on Planet KDE which is sensitive to this as Matthias Klumpp, but also others.<br />I really apologize for off topic, and thanks for your work, just love kde :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-34316254529165426162012-02-24T11:58:48.115-02:002012-02-24T11:58:48.115-02:00@Anonymous, like wrote a couple of weeks ago in th...@Anonymous, like wrote a couple of weeks ago in the Brazilian KDE mailing list: boring things like usability and extreme high technical things like Solid (hardware abstraction layer) have no appeal on developers. Developers like doing new stuff and following guidelines is something people do not do by theirselves, usually that is pushed on to them by their employers, which is not the case for most KDE developers, that are not payed to do their work.<br /><br />Ubuntu is a basically a company's product (from Canonical). Their developers must follow the guidelines Canonical creates. In KDE we are not forced to do that in any way.<br /><br />I am just explaining why I think things are like they are. I agree with you that KDE should be more consistent in the look, but try to convince a developer that works for free that he/she should do a boring and time consuming work just because somebody else thinks his/her program is ugly.Lamarquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-89379140408651307822012-02-24T11:31:49.055-02:002012-02-24T11:31:49.055-02:00Lamarque, I know you lot do not fit with what I...Lamarque, I know you lot do not fit with what I'm saying, but really guys, kde is the best there is around, your work is fantastic, but please, find someone to care for the HIG KDE 5.<br />The only thing it lacks is the KDE look and consistency of the GUI, in this respect have much to learn from Ubuntu.<br />This is not intended as a message from trolls, I apologize if indeed not to blame.<br />I love kde and why I say this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-2256298408528837232012-02-24T11:09:22.024-02:002012-02-24T11:09:22.024-02:00@Anonymous, no. I already answer that question a c...@Anonymous, no. I already answer that question a couple of months ago in my other post about this implemenation:<br /><br />The black corners happens because compositing is disabled in your setup. Once it's enabled then kwin will be able to properly make the black rectangle behind the dialog fully transparent.<br /><br />PS: I cannot force the shutdown dialog be a perfect rectangle. The borders used in the dialog is controlled by the plasma theme you are using.Lamarquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689491144609928238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4950896403024987968.post-45835487000954903052012-02-24T10:58:17.896-02:002012-02-24T10:58:17.896-02:00Sweet jesus, does it mean we finally get shutdown ...Sweet jesus, does it mean we finally get shutdown menu that is free of 3 black corners without compositing?! It's been 4years people!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com